Monday, April 28, 2008
ABC Radio and ABCTV , Done it again!
ABC TV Foreign Correspondent showing an anti-Turkish bias documantary without any of bit of Turkish side of the version...
Armenia / Turkey: Ghosts of the Past
Broadcast: 22/04/2008Reporter: Eric Campbell
LEAD STORYSERIES 17EPISODE 31
Synopsis
While the landings under fire at Gallipoli Cove on the western coast of Turkey in 1915 were seen to have helped forge Australia’s national identity, at the same time in Anatolia in central Turkey ethnic Armenians were being evicted, harassed and slaughtered. Respected historians say as many as a million people were killed and many more made refugees. (see extract*)While in some countries such as France, it is a criminal offence to deny the Armenian genocide, successive Turkish governments refuse to acknowledge it.
Two years ago Foreign Correspondent broadcast a report featuring Orhan Pamuk, Turkey’s most famous author who dared to speak of the genocide. Pamuk was convicted of insulting Turkey and later was awarded the Nobel Prize for literature.The report also featured an interview with Hrant Dink, the publisher of an Armenian newspaper in Istanbul. A few months later Hrant Dink was dead, allegedly shot by a teenage ultra-nationalist.Turkey’s Prime Minister responding to news of Hrant Dink’s murder saying that “a bullet has been fired at democracy and freedom.” Eric Campbell went to meet Fuat Turgut, the lawyer representing Yasin Hayal, accused of being the mastermind behind Hrant Dink’s murder. Turgut acknowledges that his client provided the alleged killer with a gun and cash. Yasin Hayal’s father concedes in an interview with Campbell his son “might have been tricked because he loves his country and his nation.” The Dink case epitomises the hostility of some Turks towards fellow citizens who happen to be ethnic Armenians. Armenians feel that little will change unless Turkey acknowledges the root of the problem – the slaughter and forced expulsions of 1915 and 1916. Turkish MP Suat Kiniklioglu, a prominent member of his country’s Foreign Affairs Commission tells Campbell that any suggestion Turkey was responsible for genocide “my government finds very insulting.” On the other side of the border, closed by Turkey, Armenia’s Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian says the “genocide committed against the Armenian people was a huge tragedy and the sense of tragedy is being exacerbated with every passing day Turkey continues to deny.”In Armenia Eric Campbell interviews Dr Verijine Svazlian who has conducted hundreds of interviews with genocide survivors. “Gradually people opened up to me and acquired enough confidence to share some of the most horrifying, brutal and disgusting episodes of the massacres they were a witness to,” she said.Today there are a mere handful of survivors.
Mari Vardanyan, who is 102, remembers her grandfather being shot and the threat issued by Turks to the local priest. He was ordered to vacate his church or they would hang him and drink his blood.Around the world political argument continues over the Armenian genocide. Late last year US President George W. Bush rebuffed a proposal before Congress to pass a resolution formally recognising the genocide, for fear of jeopardising relations with Turkey, which is a key ally. Democrat presidential contenders, Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama are committed to recognising the Armenian genocide if elected President. * Extract from The Middle East, by Bernard Lewis, an authority on Islamic and Middle Eastern history.
Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London 1995In the spring of 1915 when Armenian rebels had gained control of Van, the British were at the Dardanelles, the Russians attacking in the East and another British force apparently advancing on Baghdad the Ottoman government decided on the deportation and relocation of the Armenian population of Anatolia – a practice sadly familiar in the region since biblical times. Some categories of Armenians, along with their families, were declared exempt from the deportation order; Catholics, Protestants, railway workers and members of the armed forces. But the great mass of Armenians in Anatolia extending far beyond the endangered areas and suspect groups, was included in both the deportations and its deadly consequences, The deportees suffered appalling hardship. In an embattled empire desperately short of manpower, neither soldiers nor gendarmes were available and the task of escorting the deportees was entrusted to hastily recruited local posses.
Estimates vary considerably as to the numbers of but there can be no doubt that least hundreds of thousands of Armenians perished, perhaps more than a million. Many succumbed to hunger disease and exposure; great numbers were brutally murdered either by local tribesmen and villagers, through the negligence or with the complicity of their unpaid, unfed and undisciplined escorts, or by the escorts themselves. The Ottoman central government seems to have made some effort to curb the excess.
The archives contain telegrams from high Ottoman authorities, concerned with the prevention or punishment of acts of violence against the Armenians. They include records of almost 1400 hundred courts martials at which the Ottoman civil and military personnel were tried and sentenced, some of them to death for offences against the deportees.
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2008/s2207929.htm
Armenia / Turkey: Ghosts of the Past
Broadcast: 22/04/2008Reporter: Eric Campbell
LEAD STORYSERIES 17EPISODE 31
Synopsis
While the landings under fire at Gallipoli Cove on the western coast of Turkey in 1915 were seen to have helped forge Australia’s national identity, at the same time in Anatolia in central Turkey ethnic Armenians were being evicted, harassed and slaughtered. Respected historians say as many as a million people were killed and many more made refugees. (see extract*)While in some countries such as France, it is a criminal offence to deny the Armenian genocide, successive Turkish governments refuse to acknowledge it.
Two years ago Foreign Correspondent broadcast a report featuring Orhan Pamuk, Turkey’s most famous author who dared to speak of the genocide. Pamuk was convicted of insulting Turkey and later was awarded the Nobel Prize for literature.The report also featured an interview with Hrant Dink, the publisher of an Armenian newspaper in Istanbul. A few months later Hrant Dink was dead, allegedly shot by a teenage ultra-nationalist.Turkey’s Prime Minister responding to news of Hrant Dink’s murder saying that “a bullet has been fired at democracy and freedom.” Eric Campbell went to meet Fuat Turgut, the lawyer representing Yasin Hayal, accused of being the mastermind behind Hrant Dink’s murder. Turgut acknowledges that his client provided the alleged killer with a gun and cash. Yasin Hayal’s father concedes in an interview with Campbell his son “might have been tricked because he loves his country and his nation.” The Dink case epitomises the hostility of some Turks towards fellow citizens who happen to be ethnic Armenians. Armenians feel that little will change unless Turkey acknowledges the root of the problem – the slaughter and forced expulsions of 1915 and 1916. Turkish MP Suat Kiniklioglu, a prominent member of his country’s Foreign Affairs Commission tells Campbell that any suggestion Turkey was responsible for genocide “my government finds very insulting.” On the other side of the border, closed by Turkey, Armenia’s Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian says the “genocide committed against the Armenian people was a huge tragedy and the sense of tragedy is being exacerbated with every passing day Turkey continues to deny.”In Armenia Eric Campbell interviews Dr Verijine Svazlian who has conducted hundreds of interviews with genocide survivors. “Gradually people opened up to me and acquired enough confidence to share some of the most horrifying, brutal and disgusting episodes of the massacres they were a witness to,” she said.Today there are a mere handful of survivors.
Mari Vardanyan, who is 102, remembers her grandfather being shot and the threat issued by Turks to the local priest. He was ordered to vacate his church or they would hang him and drink his blood.Around the world political argument continues over the Armenian genocide. Late last year US President George W. Bush rebuffed a proposal before Congress to pass a resolution formally recognising the genocide, for fear of jeopardising relations with Turkey, which is a key ally. Democrat presidential contenders, Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama are committed to recognising the Armenian genocide if elected President. * Extract from The Middle East, by Bernard Lewis, an authority on Islamic and Middle Eastern history.
Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London 1995In the spring of 1915 when Armenian rebels had gained control of Van, the British were at the Dardanelles, the Russians attacking in the East and another British force apparently advancing on Baghdad the Ottoman government decided on the deportation and relocation of the Armenian population of Anatolia – a practice sadly familiar in the region since biblical times. Some categories of Armenians, along with their families, were declared exempt from the deportation order; Catholics, Protestants, railway workers and members of the armed forces. But the great mass of Armenians in Anatolia extending far beyond the endangered areas and suspect groups, was included in both the deportations and its deadly consequences, The deportees suffered appalling hardship. In an embattled empire desperately short of manpower, neither soldiers nor gendarmes were available and the task of escorting the deportees was entrusted to hastily recruited local posses.
Estimates vary considerably as to the numbers of but there can be no doubt that least hundreds of thousands of Armenians perished, perhaps more than a million. Many succumbed to hunger disease and exposure; great numbers were brutally murdered either by local tribesmen and villagers, through the negligence or with the complicity of their unpaid, unfed and undisciplined escorts, or by the escorts themselves. The Ottoman central government seems to have made some effort to curb the excess.
The archives contain telegrams from high Ottoman authorities, concerned with the prevention or punishment of acts of violence against the Armenians. They include records of almost 1400 hundred courts martials at which the Ottoman civil and military personnel were tried and sentenced, some of them to death for offences against the deportees.
http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2008/s2207929.htm
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Ali Turk
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23:56:19 27 Apr, 2008 EST
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Congragulation ABC another biased program without giving other facts.. Lets talk about some facts.
1915 Turkish empire is in the war. Its facing it's own life and death struggle.. British, French and Anzacs army attacts to Gallipoli; Russia attacs to the east Turkey and Arabs with British forces attacks from south.. Thats not an ordinary war, but fight to life or death of all the Turkish people.
Armenins living in Turkey (over million) think that Turkey will collapse within days if not in weeks.. Who would think any other way against such mighty forces. Gallipoli is about to fall to British army and great allied navy will be soon in Istanbul.. If they cannot , Russian will finish off anyway. So they thought that it's their best opportunity to grab whatever they can from this dying man..they started to kill and deport all Turkish origin people (including my grand mum) in the hope of carving big Armenia. But as we all know not always the things goes in our way. Turks stopped allied forces in Gallipoli and Russian couldnt have much luck on the eastern side of Turkey neither. So suddenly these Armenian thugs had to face Turkish might alone..
Nobody denies that many Armenian are died but that was legitimate war where Turks are figthing to survive..number of dead doesnt prove genocide. Millions of Japanese died in WWII but that doesnt show that Americans did genocide to Japons but it was war and one had to lose and the other wins and unfortunately millions dies. That was same with these armenians.. They did initiated their own war in the hope of big gains and lost more than they had at the end..
22:24:44 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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22:24:44 22 Apr, 2008 EST
Care to mention Armenian terrorism? Their endless assaults on Turkish diplomats?
http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2006/04/605-armenian-terrorism-ethnic-terror.html
Care to mention Armenia's still ongoing invasion of the Karabakh region of Azerbaijan? Azeri genocide?
http://www.azerigenocide.org/hist/hist02.htm
You mentioned in your program that Armenians sided with Russians during WWI towards their independence. Were the Ottomans to embrace them and cry with tears of joy? At a time when the empire faced threats from every side, it would not tolerate attacks from its own citizens or any revolts.
I find your effort sincere, but I would like to see you walk in the same shoes with the military leaders of that time. Middle East is not a peace heaven, and it takes lives to guard your own land and country.
Armenia has been invited to participate in a council of historians several times now, and it has refused every offer. Wondered why? Put the prejudice and the bias aside, Armenian people were killed, but did you see any hint towards a plan that was aimed to kill all Armenians? As was Hitler towards Jews? Or did you see an army/country trying to protect itself from backstabbing?
Did your apologies soothe and save the Aborigininal people? Did the Americans lend a helping hand to the Indians? (Care to look for massacres there as well?) I like brave journalists, but a journalist has the responsibility to tell the story fully.
One last remark, I laughed at your comment saying Turks were afraid of Armenians capturing eastern provinces and Ararat. Get real
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Hazza
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22:23:00 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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In regards to you story Armenia/Turkey - Ghosts of the Past, it is a shame that only 1 side has been betrayed, especially considering the factual inconsistencies such as:
-Turkey closing the borders when Armenia acheived independence. This is incorrect as the border was closed due to the Armenian annexation via millitary force of Azerbaijan territory
-Armenia having a state that extended to included Mount Ararat. This is incorrect as no state existed and all territories were under Ottoman command.
-The government of Turkey has constantly asked for an independent enquiry into the events that occurred, yet the Armenian government has continued to drag its heels on the issue.
Although at least you mentioned that the events were due to the Armenian's living in the eastern Anatolians uprising, you fail to understand that the word genocide is a systematic approach which does not apply in this situation, as the Armenians living for centuries I might add in the other parts of the Ottoman Empire were not affected. Although I am sure that there will be Armenians and other ethnic minorities who will say they suffered for centuries under Ottoman rule despite evidence that points to the contray.
Still you cant help those with sour grapes trying to gain what they can, even if that is by going to other parliments around the world to except there claims, circumventing historians. Good luck to the Armenians, maybe they will get the eastern part of Turkey....good luck also to the Kurds.....maybe they will get the southern part of Turkey....good luck to the Greeks....maybe they will get the western part of Turkey...I am sure that will happen when Australia gives its land back to the Aboriginals, America to the Native Indians, New Zealanders to the Kiwis...but keep on the great reporting Foreign Correspondent....
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Mehmet aka johny Turk
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22:16:29 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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I suggest you read this website and do your journalism proffesionally before accusing Turks of false lies.
Where was the balnaced reporting where was the interview with the Turkish victims from the armenian gangs tashnaks etc etc?
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/
we are ready to sit down with the armeninas when ever they are to sort this historical lie out.
BUT we cannot find partners such is the lies and hate fed.
Here this man is brave and he is not even Turkish have a good read to get a TRUTH and BALANCE
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/
Thank god for the internet otherwise the people would believe anything they see on TV
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/
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Proud Australian Turk
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21:51:51 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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I thought it may help for everyone to check this internet site aswell ..
http://www.armenian--genocide.com/
Unfortunately, the issue has never reached a properly constituted court. If the Armenians were convinced of their own case, they would have taken it to one. Instead, they lobby bewildered or bored parliamentary assemblies to "recognize the genocide."
Congress should not take a position, one way or the other, on this affair. Let historians decide. The Turkish government has been saying this for years. It is the Armenians who refuse to take part in a joint historical review, even when organized by impeccably neutral academics. This review is the logical and most sensible path forward. Passage of the resolution by the full House of Representatives would constitute an act of legislative vengeance and would shame well-meaning scholars who want to explore this history from any vantage point other than the one foisted upon the world by ultranationalist Armenians.
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gonul
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15:44:55 17 Apr, 2008 EST
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Eric,
This so called genocide has not been recognised by Turkey or the world. Turkey has opened its archives for the Armenians but to date all the Armenians are doing is lobbying. Please do not tell one sided stories. I saw the preview of your story and very dissapointed.
When are you going to do your investigation to come up with both side of the coin.
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22:10:56 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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I felt that the program shown on 22.04.08 about the genocide was onesided and only shown to show the slaughter to the armenians which was rediculous and 1 sided i strongly believe that a turkish muslim person to say to a priest that we will hang you and drink your blood! I am outraged and disgusted and it just goes to show how false all these alagation are.
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M & E Gumec
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22:25:17 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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Just watched your program about Turkey and Armenia. We are really disappointed with your biased coverage of this highly sensitive matter. It is such an important subject for both nations and instead of bringing the information from the historians, you gave coverage to an extreme nationalist - very one sided. It looked like you planned what you wanted to cover before starting your research. We were in Turkey recently and we had the privilage to discuss this subject with historians lecturing at the unis and also providing info to the foreign historians. Their knowledge could provide more insight to such a sensitive topic. We found your program very irresponsible...
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Julia Gul Arslan ( Australia Gallipoli Friendship Society
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22:29:57 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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Dear Eric and Foreign Correspond producer
For the segment due to be shown on 22 April. …
This program will let down many Turkish-Australians…by reading of your program’s synopsis, this film again one of those ones that turning the history upside down with full of biased emerging statements in order convey to inform with false and misleading report given to the Australian people sadly on the week of ‘the Friendship’ between Australia and Turkiye.
Turkish Australians who have being living in Australia harmoniously by respecting multicultural Australia and Australian values for more than 40 years now. However, such this program supports to give immerse reverse impact. Your report and ABC TV should already know that such a divisive program doesn’t and won’t help Australia where supposed be a fair go country for everyone, every nationality unless an opportunity should have been provided for every nation to be able express their story and their historical realities. Otherwise, such one sided and bias program encourages and sustains animosity nothing else! Is that what you want?
Turks believe the notion of ' animosity breeds animosity; it is a vicious circle ‘ therefore Turks support the idea of ‘ Peace and Harmony in Australia, Peace and Harmony in the Universe’.
Turks never supports hatred for any nation consequently Turkish people in Australia and Turkey never hate Australians for invasion of the Gallipoli War. They rather focus on the lessons from history and try to grow friendship and peace in Australia out of the Gallipoli War because they know that their heritage values require supporting peace, not war!.
They also believe that there are hardly any wars, which the past conflicted parties jointly commemorate. Gallipoli serves as a message of ' PEACE ' to the whole world.
Lets celebrate friendships and peaceful acts not to support sick minds please! Otherwise you and your like minded people have to chose imperialistic ideas to grow in Australia or not
Lest we forget the price of animosity!
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Joe
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22:39:23 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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I can ask Eric Campbell the same question as he asked during his program regarding the so called Armenian genocide to the Turkish MP, how can he be so sure this genocide had happened ? He was extremely bias in the way he presented both sides of the argument. He made himself judge and jury and convicted a nation with a proud history with so called genocide. Eric Campbell tried to link the killing of the Armenian journalist in Turkey with the treatment of the Armenian minority in Turkey in the past. What about linking the killing of many Turkish Ambassadors all around the world by the Armenian terrorist group, ASALA. Obviously that would not go well with Eric's superiors who are influenced by the powerful Armenian lobby. I wonder why he chose to make a such a program just before ANZAC day.
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Hilmi Deveci
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22:51:53 22 Apr, 2008 EST
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My previous comment should have read, Why is ABC bias towards Turkey ?
When will ABC ever show the Turkish,or even better, other historian's view from around the world when it comes to "Turkish Genocide" by the Armenians ?
If you are ever interested in real facts, I can provide a DVD produced by an American historian.
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Halit Sindi
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13:42:38 23 Apr, 2008 EST
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Dear ABC Programmer,
I am a loyal viewer of many ABC programs including Foreign Correspondent. However, I would like to express my profound anger and disappointment over one of the stories you presented in the “Foreign Correspondent” program that broadcasted on 22 April 2008 at 9:30pm.
I truly found this program rather biased, distorted, and contained factual errors. I also found this program was totally one-sided and clearly favouring the Armenian allegations. You have presented the story as if you were telling the facts on the issue. But so-called Armenian genocide is quite controversial issue, which many historians believe otherwise. Armenian accusations are usually based on stories that has been told by either family members or falsely fabricated by the Armenian Diaspora. They always failed to back up their claims with evidence or any historical fact. I strongly suggest you to read independent experts on the field such as Justin McCarthy, Heath Lowry, and Stanford Shaw before you make such hostile remarks on the free-to-air network.
It is true that thousands of Armenians have lost their life due to starvation, disease and local rebel attacks during WWI. However, according to many international sources including Australian Foreign Ministry website, at the time, thousands of Turks, also, lost their lives due to same reasons as Armenians. But I guess, on the eyes of the Western world, Turkish losses are less valuable than Armenians.
I cannot go without mentioning the Armenian terrorism, which cost the lives of 42 Turkish diplomats. Armenian terrorist organizations such as Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) and the Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide (JCAG) started to operate in mid 1970's and they carried out approximately 200 attacks in 38 cities of 21 countries. One of these attacks took place in Australia on 17 December 1980 when Turkey's Consul General of Sydney Mr.Sarik Ariyak and his security guard Mr.Engin Sever were murdered. The Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide (JCAG) was responsible for this terrorist act. This vicious and cowardly attack considered being as one of the most significant terrorist events in the history of Australia by the ASIO.
My message to you is; please be fair and stop your biased coverage on Turkish history.
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