By Laura Smith-Spark BBC News, Washington
... The resolution, passed by the House of Representatives' Foreign Affairs committee, was written by Democrat Adam Schiff, whose California district is home to the US's largest ethnic-Armenian community. Across the country, Armenian-Americans have been lobbying politicians, and publicising their view of the massacres as genocide - a suggestion the Turkish government and most Turks furiously reject. Historians are also divided on whether this was a case of genocide. More than 20 countries have formally recognised genocide against the Armenians, however. Given that Armenians represent only about 1.5m of America's 300m population, what has won them such influence over the US Congress - and perhaps the nation's foreign policy?
Organised lobby
Part of the answer lies in the organisation and determination of the Armenian-American lobby groups, says Dr Svante Cornell, of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute at Johns Hopkins University. The Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) and the Armenian Assembly of America (AAA) are among the most powerful. Another factor is that the Armenian-American community is largely concentrated in important states such as California, Michigan and Massachusetts, Dr Cornell said. "You have basically a number of places where the Armenian issue is very important in local politics - especially for anybody wanting to get elected in California," he said. "The Turkish lobby is much less organised and much less rooted in an electorate than the Armenian lobby" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7040344.stm Svante E. Cornell is the Editor of the Central Asia-Caucasus Analyst, a bi-weekly publication of the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute of The Johns Hopkins University's Nitze School of Advanced International Studies. Cornell holds a Ph.D. in Peace and Conflict Studies from Uppsala University.
Thursday, March 20, 2008
Monday, March 3, 2008
(2007) SELECTED ARTICLE: In regards to Pelosi stumbles over Armenian resolution
( Details: Pelosi stumbles over Armenian resolution )
“ I am a United States veteran and served in The US Air Force. I still have friends in Iraq fighting for our freedom. I can tell you that I have never known a nation more underrepresented and discredited more than Turkey.
Turkish troops were clearly the heroes of the Korean War, ask any Korean veteran but yet when the 50th anniversary of Korean War was being celebrated noone heard Turks getting credit for their bravery. Greeks and even the Colombians were remembered but not Turks. Why not? I tell you why. Armenians and Greeks have done a wonderful job on preventing any positive image of Turkey in The United States.
I am an Irish-American who happened to dig deep since I have noticed what Turks have been facing due to having some close Turkish friends. Once I started digging and conducting a lengthy research I was shocked to find out how well Armenians have been playing that Christian card. Anyways, this resolution shouldn't pass because there was no government-ordered genocide. I am not denying that Armenians didn't suffer as a result of the war but also many Turks suffered, too. Also did anyone know why Antonio Banderas planned on playing Ataturk in a Hollywood movie and backed out in the last minute? Well, research it like I did. It will open your eyes and give you an idea what Turks face. I can recommend a website which i would call a one-stop shop with full of unbiased information. www.tallarmeniantale.com .
Yes Pelosi indeed puts her personal interests above American interests by pushing for the passing of this resolution just like Armenian-Americans who I think are Armenians first and Americans second unfortunately..”
More : http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/soundoff/comment.asp?articleID=335534
“ I am a United States veteran and served in The US Air Force. I still have friends in Iraq fighting for our freedom. I can tell you that I have never known a nation more underrepresented and discredited more than Turkey.
Turkish troops were clearly the heroes of the Korean War, ask any Korean veteran but yet when the 50th anniversary of Korean War was being celebrated noone heard Turks getting credit for their bravery. Greeks and even the Colombians were remembered but not Turks. Why not? I tell you why. Armenians and Greeks have done a wonderful job on preventing any positive image of Turkey in The United States.
I am an Irish-American who happened to dig deep since I have noticed what Turks have been facing due to having some close Turkish friends. Once I started digging and conducting a lengthy research I was shocked to find out how well Armenians have been playing that Christian card. Anyways, this resolution shouldn't pass because there was no government-ordered genocide. I am not denying that Armenians didn't suffer as a result of the war but also many Turks suffered, too. Also did anyone know why Antonio Banderas planned on playing Ataturk in a Hollywood movie and backed out in the last minute? Well, research it like I did. It will open your eyes and give you an idea what Turks face. I can recommend a website which i would call a one-stop shop with full of unbiased information. www.tallarmeniantale.com .
Yes Pelosi indeed puts her personal interests above American interests by pushing for the passing of this resolution just like Armenian-Americans who I think are Armenians first and Americans second unfortunately..”
More : http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/soundoff/comment.asp?articleID=335534
Sunday, March 2, 2008
(2006) TheAge Newspaper: " Anzac march open to 'Johnny Turk' - but that's it
Anzac march open to 'Johnny Turk' - but that's it
By Carolyn Webb , April 12, 2006
Some descendants of wartime foes can march on Anzac Day, the Victorian RSL has ruled for the first time.
But the ruling applies only to descendants of World War I Turkish soldiers, because they were "a very honorable" enemy, according to the Victorian RSL president, Major-General David McLachlan. The endorsement does not extend to families of German, Japanese, Italian or North Vietnamese. "I could never ever see, in Victoria, Japanese veterans of the Second World War marching in an Anzac Day march," Major-General McLachlan said. "They were a dreaded enemy that was despised by the Australian veterans."
Much had been done to establish friendships with Japan, he said, but the Pacific conflict was "a very black mark" against the Japanese. "The Germans were the same, but I don't think the Germans would ever want to march," he said. "And the Italians that fought with Axis forces certainly shouldn't be marching." In defiance of RSL policy, Turkish-Australians whose fathers and grandfathers fought at Gallipoli have been marching in the Melbourne parade since 1996.
Days before last year's march, RSL state secretary John Deighton condemned the Turkish contingent, saying: "If they were not on our side, they shouldn't be marching." But Major-General McLachlan said organisers had met on Monday and decided to reverse the policy for Turks. Yes, Turks had been the enemy, Major-General McLachlan said. "But they were a very honourable enemy."
There was a "special relationship" with Turkey - strengthened by the belief that "Johnny Turk" had fought fair on the battlefield.
"Turkey and Australia have got a different relationship than, say, Japan and Germany, because of the common ground that we share over Gallipoli," he said. He expects 100 Turkish-Australians will take part in this year's city march. Most would be descendants of World War I soldiers, but several were veterans of the Korean War, when Turkey was allied with Australia. http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/anzac-march-open-to-johnny-turk-8212-but-thats-it/2006/04/11/1144521340623.html
(2004) Nomination of Gallipoli as the Australian Heritage List, Jan 2004
The following article published in the TheAge newspaper written by the TheAge newspaper editor in response to Mr. John Howard's claims on the Nomination of Gallipoli as the Australian Heritage List,
Jan 2004
" A place we should not call our own Anzac Cove is a special place for Australians, but it is part of Turkey.
" Few Australians who visit Anzac Cove, the beach on Turkey's Gallipoli Peninsula where the first Anzacs landed on April 25, 1915, are unmoved by the experience. Not everyone, however, would feel able to describe Anzac Cove in the terms chosen by Prime Minister John Howard.
Speaking at the launch of the Distinctively Australian program, which asks Australians to nominate places or things for inclusion in the new National Heritage list, Mr Howard nominated Anzac Cove. It was not Australian land, he conceded, but "you feel as an Australian it's as much a part of Australia as the land on which your home is built". Mr Howard said there had already been preliminary talks with the Turkish Government, which would have to consent to the listing.
What the Turkish representatives in these talks may have said is not yet known. But it is reasonable to surmise that, whatever they might ultimately decide about the heritage request, they would have been astonished, and probably affronted, by any assertion that Anzac Cove was as much a part of Australia as any house in suburban Melbourne.
Perhaps this form of words was just clumsiness on the part of the Prime Minister, but he has uttered them. And, even if he had not - and even if the Turkish Government indulges the request - the notion of declaring some region or site in another country to be part of Australia's National Heritage is arrogant and insensitive.
Although the declaration would be a formal territorial claim, it presumes that the country in which the site is located should acquiesce to Australia's view of the site's significance. There is no reason why the Turks should do so. They have their own reasons for thinking of Anzac Cove as special.
For one thing, the founder of the modern Turkish state, Mustapha Kemal, commanded the Turkish forces there. But above all, Anzac Cove is their land, and we should not forget that the fallen Australians buried there - whose graves have always been honoured by the Turks - were invaders in a land that is not ours.
Gallipoli is not the only place where Australian graves are honoured. Each year the village of Villers-Bretonneux, near Amiens in northern France, commemorates its liberation by Australian troops in 1918, and above all the blackboards in the village's Victoria School are the words "Never forget Australia". Does the Prime Minister think Villers-Bretonneux should be listed as part of Australia's National Heritage? And what about other places in the world whose names are - for Australians - bound up with the exploits and ordeals of Australian soldiers, names such as Beersheba, Damascus, Tobruk, Crete, El Alamein, Changi, Hellfire Pass, Milne Bay, Kokoda and Long Tan? The list is a long one, and will be longer.
We should always honour those who died in these places, but that does not mean we have the right to claim the ground in which they are buried as part of our heritage."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/02/1072908904857.html
Response to the above 'Theage' newspaper editorial by J.G.Arslan:
Original letter:
RE: Editorial regarding the listing of Anzac Cove for Heritage Listing As founder of the Australia-Gallipoli Friendship Society, I welcome your editorial on 03/01/04 and can't understand what Our PM John Howard is trying achieve with his idea to try and list Anzac Cove on a heritage list.. Does this mean that the Japanese can ask to list Darwin and other areas within Australia, where Japanese invading forces "Soldiers" died during their aggression, onto the Japanese Heritage list?The friendship and respect between Australians and Turks can be seen when one visits Anzac Cove, with the hospitality and respect shown towards the Australians. Trying to gain control of land belonging to a sovereign nation through a heritage listing can only cause suspicion. I will not go into detail as your editorial outlined all the facts graciously. However, I will remind everyone of what Mustafa Kemal Ataturk the commander in charge in the defense of Gallipoli said in relation to the fallen Anzacs."Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives.. . You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. There is no difference between the Jonnies and the Mehmets to uswhere they lie side by side herein this country of ours.You sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears.Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in Peace.After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well. " M.K.Ataturk, 1934. It is in the Turkish Culture to show respect and understand and therefore, Anzac Cove and the war memorial does not need red tape listings in order to be maintained meticulously. Gallipoli is where the younger generations can meet not as invader and defender but as a place of mutual respect and understanding. In fact the Gallipoli conflict saw the birth of both peoples into Nations. Yours Truly,"
J.Gul ArslanFounder of Australia-Gallipoli Friendship Society Inc.For more information please visit; http://www.ausgallipoli.com
TheAge Newspaper published the above letter as the following:
"As the founder of the Australia-Gallipoli Friendship Society, I welcome your editorial (3/1) and can't understand what Prime Minister John Howard is trying achieve with his idea to try to list Anzac Cove on a heritage list. The friendship and respect between Australians and Turks can be seen when one visits Anzac Cove, with the hospitality and respect shown towards the Australians. Trying to gain control of land belonging to a sovereign nation through a heritage listing can only cause suspicion."
J. Gul Arslan, founder, Australia-Gallipoli Friendship Society
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/08/1073437407148.html
Jan 2004
" A place we should not call our own Anzac Cove is a special place for Australians, but it is part of Turkey.
" Few Australians who visit Anzac Cove, the beach on Turkey's Gallipoli Peninsula where the first Anzacs landed on April 25, 1915, are unmoved by the experience. Not everyone, however, would feel able to describe Anzac Cove in the terms chosen by Prime Minister John Howard.
Speaking at the launch of the Distinctively Australian program, which asks Australians to nominate places or things for inclusion in the new National Heritage list, Mr Howard nominated Anzac Cove. It was not Australian land, he conceded, but "you feel as an Australian it's as much a part of Australia as the land on which your home is built". Mr Howard said there had already been preliminary talks with the Turkish Government, which would have to consent to the listing.
What the Turkish representatives in these talks may have said is not yet known. But it is reasonable to surmise that, whatever they might ultimately decide about the heritage request, they would have been astonished, and probably affronted, by any assertion that Anzac Cove was as much a part of Australia as any house in suburban Melbourne.
Perhaps this form of words was just clumsiness on the part of the Prime Minister, but he has uttered them. And, even if he had not - and even if the Turkish Government indulges the request - the notion of declaring some region or site in another country to be part of Australia's National Heritage is arrogant and insensitive.
Although the declaration would be a formal territorial claim, it presumes that the country in which the site is located should acquiesce to Australia's view of the site's significance. There is no reason why the Turks should do so. They have their own reasons for thinking of Anzac Cove as special.
For one thing, the founder of the modern Turkish state, Mustapha Kemal, commanded the Turkish forces there. But above all, Anzac Cove is their land, and we should not forget that the fallen Australians buried there - whose graves have always been honoured by the Turks - were invaders in a land that is not ours.
Gallipoli is not the only place where Australian graves are honoured. Each year the village of Villers-Bretonneux, near Amiens in northern France, commemorates its liberation by Australian troops in 1918, and above all the blackboards in the village's Victoria School are the words "Never forget Australia". Does the Prime Minister think Villers-Bretonneux should be listed as part of Australia's National Heritage? And what about other places in the world whose names are - for Australians - bound up with the exploits and ordeals of Australian soldiers, names such as Beersheba, Damascus, Tobruk, Crete, El Alamein, Changi, Hellfire Pass, Milne Bay, Kokoda and Long Tan? The list is a long one, and will be longer.
We should always honour those who died in these places, but that does not mean we have the right to claim the ground in which they are buried as part of our heritage."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/02/1072908904857.html
Response to the above 'Theage' newspaper editorial by J.G.Arslan:
Original letter:
RE: Editorial regarding the listing of Anzac Cove for Heritage Listing As founder of the Australia-Gallipoli Friendship Society, I welcome your editorial on 03/01/04 and can't understand what Our PM John Howard is trying achieve with his idea to try and list Anzac Cove on a heritage list.. Does this mean that the Japanese can ask to list Darwin and other areas within Australia, where Japanese invading forces "Soldiers" died during their aggression, onto the Japanese Heritage list?The friendship and respect between Australians and Turks can be seen when one visits Anzac Cove, with the hospitality and respect shown towards the Australians. Trying to gain control of land belonging to a sovereign nation through a heritage listing can only cause suspicion. I will not go into detail as your editorial outlined all the facts graciously. However, I will remind everyone of what Mustafa Kemal Ataturk the commander in charge in the defense of Gallipoli said in relation to the fallen Anzacs."Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives.. . You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. There is no difference between the Jonnies and the Mehmets to uswhere they lie side by side herein this country of ours.You sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears.Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in Peace.After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well. " M.K.Ataturk, 1934. It is in the Turkish Culture to show respect and understand and therefore, Anzac Cove and the war memorial does not need red tape listings in order to be maintained meticulously. Gallipoli is where the younger generations can meet not as invader and defender but as a place of mutual respect and understanding. In fact the Gallipoli conflict saw the birth of both peoples into Nations. Yours Truly,"
J.Gul ArslanFounder of Australia-Gallipoli Friendship Society Inc.For more information please visit; http://www.ausgallipoli.com
TheAge Newspaper published the above letter as the following:
"As the founder of the Australia-Gallipoli Friendship Society, I welcome your editorial (3/1) and can't understand what Prime Minister John Howard is trying achieve with his idea to try to list Anzac Cove on a heritage list. The friendship and respect between Australians and Turks can be seen when one visits Anzac Cove, with the hospitality and respect shown towards the Australians. Trying to gain control of land belonging to a sovereign nation through a heritage listing can only cause suspicion."
J. Gul Arslan, founder, Australia-Gallipoli Friendship Society
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/08/1073437407148.html
(2007) MAXINE MCKEW PROMISES TO ADVOCATE SO-CALLED GENOCIDE RECOGNITION
The following artical taken from: http://www.armtown.com/news/en/yer/20070910/31455/
MAXINE MCKEW PROMISES TO ADVOCATE GENOCIDE RECOGNITION
11 sep 2007
In a meeting with the Armenian National Committee of Australia, Federal Labor Candidate for Bennelong, Ms Maxine McKew declared she would “unequivocally and publicly” support the recognition of the Armenian Genocide if elected to government in the upcoming federal elections.
“It was my position while working in the media and remains my position today,” said the former ABC journalist who will challenge Prime Minister John Howard for the Armenian populated seat of Bennelong in the 2007 Federal election.
Ms McKew added:
“The Armenian-Australian community has a kindred spirit in me and if elected, I will advocate for recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the Government of Australia.”
ANC Australia President, Mr. Varant Meguerditchian welcomed Ms McKew’s affirmation, stating: “The 4000-strong Armenian-Australian voters of Bennelong will wait to hear the position of other candidates, including Prime Minister John Howard, regarding the issue of Armenian Genocide recognition before casting their united votes at the upcoming election."
“Recognising the Armenian Genocide is the first step toward ensuring against the repeat of such hateful crimes,” added Mr Meguerditchian.
Ms McKew has set the moral high bar by genuinely expressing her views concerning this very important humanitarian issue. http://www.armtown.com/news/en/yer/20070910/31455/
(Mrs. Maxine Mackew is elected in the last election(2007) and now she is MP of ALP ( Labour Party) )
Note: Liberal Foreign Minister Mr. Downer ( previous goverment ) on the 11th of February 2007, when so-called genocide allegations being asked to him answered the questions as follows;
“ ... in Australia we have a significant Turkish community, an ethnic Turkish community. We have an Armenian community that would not be anything like as big as the Turkish community, but I don’t think we really want to get into all of that and inflame passions in Australia, between Australians, over an issue like that. The debate is about events that occurred a long time ago, and I don’t think we are going to offer a running commentary on the events, or alleged events, whatever on history. I don’t think it is the role of the Australian government to be an historian. Whatever we may think about history, we deal with the present and future, but we can’t change the past, not even the Australian government can change the past. If we could there would be a lot of changes we would make.” [Liberal Foreign Minister Mr. Downer on the 11 February 2007]
MAXINE MCKEW PROMISES TO ADVOCATE GENOCIDE RECOGNITION
11 sep 2007
In a meeting with the Armenian National Committee of Australia, Federal Labor Candidate for Bennelong, Ms Maxine McKew declared she would “unequivocally and publicly” support the recognition of the Armenian Genocide if elected to government in the upcoming federal elections.
“It was my position while working in the media and remains my position today,” said the former ABC journalist who will challenge Prime Minister John Howard for the Armenian populated seat of Bennelong in the 2007 Federal election.
Ms McKew added:
“The Armenian-Australian community has a kindred spirit in me and if elected, I will advocate for recognition of the Armenian Genocide by the Government of Australia.”
ANC Australia President, Mr. Varant Meguerditchian welcomed Ms McKew’s affirmation, stating: “The 4000-strong Armenian-Australian voters of Bennelong will wait to hear the position of other candidates, including Prime Minister John Howard, regarding the issue of Armenian Genocide recognition before casting their united votes at the upcoming election."
“Recognising the Armenian Genocide is the first step toward ensuring against the repeat of such hateful crimes,” added Mr Meguerditchian.
Ms McKew has set the moral high bar by genuinely expressing her views concerning this very important humanitarian issue. http://www.armtown.com/news/en/yer/20070910/31455/
(Mrs. Maxine Mackew is elected in the last election(2007) and now she is MP of ALP ( Labour Party) )
Note: Liberal Foreign Minister Mr. Downer ( previous goverment ) on the 11th of February 2007, when so-called genocide allegations being asked to him answered the questions as follows;
“ ... in Australia we have a significant Turkish community, an ethnic Turkish community. We have an Armenian community that would not be anything like as big as the Turkish community, but I don’t think we really want to get into all of that and inflame passions in Australia, between Australians, over an issue like that. The debate is about events that occurred a long time ago, and I don’t think we are going to offer a running commentary on the events, or alleged events, whatever on history. I don’t think it is the role of the Australian government to be an historian. Whatever we may think about history, we deal with the present and future, but we can’t change the past, not even the Australian government can change the past. If we could there would be a lot of changes we would make.” [Liberal Foreign Minister Mr. Downer on the 11 February 2007]
(HISTORY) Exploding the 5 myths of Gallipoli...by Ashley Ekins
The Gallipoli campaign of World War I cost 9,000 Australian lives. Their courage has never been in doubt but there are myths that have persisted. Those who died and those who survived deserve to have their story told accurately, as Ashley Ekins reports.
The Gallipoli campaign exerts a powerful hold on the Australian imagination. Its influence grows every year as increasing numbers of Australians travel to the Gallipoli battlefields. The crowds of mainly young Australians and New Zealanders attending the dawn service ceremonies at Gallipoli on Anzac Day now number almost 16,000 – matching the numbers of Anzacs who first landed there on April 25, 1915.
Yet as Gallipoli’s appeal grows, so too do the popular myths and misconceptions about it. The story of the Australian achievement at Gallipoli is more compelling when stripped to its essential truth. Five major myths surround the Anzac landing.
by Ashley Ekins, a senior historian with the AWM
from http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/
It should be noted that although I reproduce this article I do not agree with every part of it. For example the writer contends that the Anzacs were landed in the correct place. This is at odds with the General in charge of the operation (Hamilton ) who said at the time that they landed "rather more than a mile north of where I intended". Also he claims that a beach held by two companies (200 to 350 men) is "heavily defended"
. Against a Divisional attack no two companies can survive even with arty and wire. Webmaster.
Myth 1: The Anzac landing was heavily opposed
Myth 2: The Anzac troops were landed in the wrong place
Myth 3: The Anzac commanders displayed superior ability to the British commanders
Myth 4: The Australians overran their objectives
Myth 5: The Anzac soldiers displayed superior fighting spirit to the British soldiers
04/21/2004 , Ashley Ekins is a senior historian with the Australian War Memorial, where he is writing the official history of the Australian Army in the Vietnam War. He has led the memorial’s battlefield tours to Gallipoli for nine years, assisting Australians to understand the events of 1915.
Details:( and more subjects on Gallipoli)
http://www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/history/myths-gallipoli.htm
or
http://ausgallipoli.net/ > Gallipoli War Related >Gallipoli War Details > Myths
The Gallipoli campaign exerts a powerful hold on the Australian imagination. Its influence grows every year as increasing numbers of Australians travel to the Gallipoli battlefields. The crowds of mainly young Australians and New Zealanders attending the dawn service ceremonies at Gallipoli on Anzac Day now number almost 16,000 – matching the numbers of Anzacs who first landed there on April 25, 1915.
Yet as Gallipoli’s appeal grows, so too do the popular myths and misconceptions about it. The story of the Australian achievement at Gallipoli is more compelling when stripped to its essential truth. Five major myths surround the Anzac landing.
by Ashley Ekins, a senior historian with the AWM
from http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/
It should be noted that although I reproduce this article I do not agree with every part of it. For example the writer contends that the Anzacs were landed in the correct place. This is at odds with the General in charge of the operation (Hamilton ) who said at the time that they landed "rather more than a mile north of where I intended". Also he claims that a beach held by two companies (200 to 350 men) is "heavily defended"
. Against a Divisional attack no two companies can survive even with arty and wire. Webmaster.
Myth 1: The Anzac landing was heavily opposed
Myth 2: The Anzac troops were landed in the wrong place
Myth 3: The Anzac commanders displayed superior ability to the British commanders
Myth 4: The Australians overran their objectives
Myth 5: The Anzac soldiers displayed superior fighting spirit to the British soldiers
04/21/2004 , Ashley Ekins is a senior historian with the Australian War Memorial, where he is writing the official history of the Australian Army in the Vietnam War. He has led the memorial’s battlefield tours to Gallipoli for nine years, assisting Australians to understand the events of 1915.
Details:( and more subjects on Gallipoli)
http://www.diggerhistory2.info/graveyards/pages/history/myths-gallipoli.htm
or
http://ausgallipoli.net/ > Gallipoli War Related >Gallipoli War Details > Myths
BOOK RECOMENDED: A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire
A book about Ottoman Empire, Turkish History and Ataturk :
'A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire '
The following paragraph is written by a customer about this book:
"... Also very impressive is the strength of Mustapha Kemal and the Turks in saving their country from total occupation, an endless array of fights going on for many years, while at the same time fighting internally with the small groups loyal to the corrupt, west-loving sultan. His accomplishment, when viewed within the wider context of how hopeless their situation seemed at the outset, their success in creating a new country out of the remains of a partitioned, ruined, exhausted empire is incredibly impressive, he is a rare leader in world history who has accomplished true greatness, and the Turks are right in revering him so."
Excellent perspective on this period- Highly recommended! May 27 2004 , By A Customer
http://www.amazon.ca/Peace-End-All-Ottoman-Empire/dp/customer-reviews/0805068848
Turkish translation of the above paragraph :
"Mustafa Kemal in ve Turklerin tamamen isgal altindaki ulkelerini, yillarca arka arkaya, sonu gelmeyen bir sekilde, hem de ic ayaklanmalara, ulkeye bagli guruplarin bile yozlasmasina ragmen, bati yanlisi sultana ragmen verdikleri ulkelerini savunma savasi son derece etkileyici. O'nun (Mustafa Kemal) basarisi, genis acidan bakildiginda, baslangicda umitsiz gibi gozuken durumlarindan, bolunmus parcalanmis ve harabeye donmus, yorulmus, tukenmis bir durumdan bir ulke yaratma basarisi inanilmaz etkilyici, O, dunya tarihindeki nadir liderlerden, O'nun gerceklestirdikleri gercekden buyuk ve Turkler O'a karsi olan hurmette haklilar."
'A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire '
The following paragraph is written by a customer about this book:
"... Also very impressive is the strength of Mustapha Kemal and the Turks in saving their country from total occupation, an endless array of fights going on for many years, while at the same time fighting internally with the small groups loyal to the corrupt, west-loving sultan. His accomplishment, when viewed within the wider context of how hopeless their situation seemed at the outset, their success in creating a new country out of the remains of a partitioned, ruined, exhausted empire is incredibly impressive, he is a rare leader in world history who has accomplished true greatness, and the Turks are right in revering him so."
Excellent perspective on this period- Highly recommended! May 27 2004 , By A Customer
http://www.amazon.ca/Peace-End-All-Ottoman-Empire/dp/customer-reviews/0805068848
Turkish translation of the above paragraph :
"Mustafa Kemal in ve Turklerin tamamen isgal altindaki ulkelerini, yillarca arka arkaya, sonu gelmeyen bir sekilde, hem de ic ayaklanmalara, ulkeye bagli guruplarin bile yozlasmasina ragmen, bati yanlisi sultana ragmen verdikleri ulkelerini savunma savasi son derece etkileyici. O'nun (Mustafa Kemal) basarisi, genis acidan bakildiginda, baslangicda umitsiz gibi gozuken durumlarindan, bolunmus parcalanmis ve harabeye donmus, yorulmus, tukenmis bir durumdan bir ulke yaratma basarisi inanilmaz etkilyici, O, dunya tarihindeki nadir liderlerden, O'nun gerceklestirdikleri gercekden buyuk ve Turkler O'a karsi olan hurmette haklilar."
(2008) Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith " has told Channel Nine that now is the time for Turkish troops to leave Iraq"
” …. Turkey says it was forced to launch the cross-border offensive after Iraqi authorities failed to stop an estimated 3,000 PKK members from using northern Iraq as a base to stage deadly attacks against soldiers and civilians inside Turkish territory.Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith has told Channel Nine that now is the time for Turkish troops to leave Iraq. "We think the Turkish Government should respect Iraq's sovereignty," he said.
"That's a very important issue for Iraq and we believe, as the United States administration expressed yesterday through the Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, that those Turkish troops should withdraw as quickly as possible."-
ABC/AFP/Reuters
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/24/2170938.htm
"That's a very important issue for Iraq and we believe, as the United States administration expressed yesterday through the Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, that those Turkish troops should withdraw as quickly as possible."-
ABC/AFP/Reuters
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/24/2170938.htm
(2007) IS UFUK URAS A TURKISH MP?
How could anyone claim such as this for own country but so called Turkish MP Ufuk Uras:
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY TURKISH MP SPEAKS OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE RECOGNITION - (10th of Sep 2007)
For the first time in history a member of the Turkish parliament recognized the Armenian Genocide and spoke of restitution of the despoiled property, independent French journalist Jean Eckian told PanARMENIAN.Net.
In an interview with journalist Raffí Arax recently, Turkish MP Mehmet Ufuk Uras said, "We committed a terrible massacre against Armenians and Turkey must recognize it. It’s not important how we name this calamity: genocide, ethnic purification, etc. The most important thing is that a terrible massacre was committed and it is undeniable.”
“We must face up to the history, bandage the wounds, develop the relations with Armenia, defend our Armenian compatriots and restore what was the property of their ancestors. I come from the area of Durig close to Sebastia where I heard the truth from my parents,” he said.
“We are confident that with the negationism will drive to nothing,” he resumed.
The Armenian community of Istanbul endorsed Uras at the recent parliamentary elections.
Source: http://www.armtown.com/news/en/yer/20070910/31453/
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY TURKISH MP SPEAKS OF ARMENIAN GENOCIDE RECOGNITION - (10th of Sep 2007)
For the first time in history a member of the Turkish parliament recognized the Armenian Genocide and spoke of restitution of the despoiled property, independent French journalist Jean Eckian told PanARMENIAN.Net.
In an interview with journalist Raffí Arax recently, Turkish MP Mehmet Ufuk Uras said, "We committed a terrible massacre against Armenians and Turkey must recognize it. It’s not important how we name this calamity: genocide, ethnic purification, etc. The most important thing is that a terrible massacre was committed and it is undeniable.”
“We must face up to the history, bandage the wounds, develop the relations with Armenia, defend our Armenian compatriots and restore what was the property of their ancestors. I come from the area of Durig close to Sebastia where I heard the truth from my parents,” he said.
“We are confident that with the negationism will drive to nothing,” he resumed.
The Armenian community of Istanbul endorsed Uras at the recent parliamentary elections.
Source: http://www.armtown.com/news/en/yer/20070910/31453/
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Saturday, March 1, 2008
(2008) What Mr. Geoffrey Robertson thinks about Turkish issues?
[ Geoffrey Robertson, QC, is a human rights lawyer, academic, author and broadcaster. Australian-born, London-based Geoffrey Robertson, QC, is the author of Crimes Against Humanity - The Struggle for Global Justice (second edition published last month by Penguin) and presents the Hypotheticals television specials.]
Mother England as much to blame Geoffrey Robertson February 16, 2008
“….The British exterminated the Tasmanian Aborigines, leaving only 40 survivors who were placed on an offshore island gulag. The governor's wife led the hunt for their skulls to decorate London mantelpieces. At least there was a parliamentary inquiry, which reported in 1836 that "not a single native now remains upon Van Dieman's land … the adoption of any conduct, having for its avowed or secret object the extermination of the native race, could not fail to leave an indelible stain upon the British government". That "indelible stain" was, a century later, termed "genocide". We castigate the Turks for pretending the Armenian genocide never took place, but we are apt to forget the Tasmanian genocide. Last year the National History Museum had to be taken to court to stop it experimenting on the skulls of victims.…” GUARDIAN
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/mother-england-as-much-to-blame/2008/02/15/1202760596979.html?page=2
Others:
….. Then of course we spool forward another century to the First World War and the failure of peace in Versailles; the inability of the world at that stage to develop any kind of enforceable universal law to prevent genocide. The Armenians were massacred in 1915 and 1916 and retribution never came. The Kaiser was not punished for unrestricted submarine warfare or for invading Belgium. BillyHughes may have gone to Versailles with the slogan “Hang the Kaiser”, the Kaiser got away because he had what was thought to be sovereign immunity and the Turks got away with the Armenian genocide. Hitler in his famous speech to his generals on the Polish border urging them to show no mercy said “After all, who now remembers the Armenians?’” http://www.cornerstones.org.au/media/pdfs/G_Robertson_speech.pdf
“…Britain had provided forces to protect an ethnic minority of Christians from killing by the Turks in Bulgaria. America justified its declaration of war on Spain in 1898 on the grounds of the oppressive rule in Cuba that "shocked the moral sense of the people of the United States". And all of this was without CNN. Roosevelt's 1904 State of the Union message made it clear that the US believed intervention for humanitarian reasons was justifiable when oppression was on a vast scale….” http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=158055§ioncode=7
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Mother England as much to blame Geoffrey Robertson February 16, 2008
“….The British exterminated the Tasmanian Aborigines, leaving only 40 survivors who were placed on an offshore island gulag. The governor's wife led the hunt for their skulls to decorate London mantelpieces. At least there was a parliamentary inquiry, which reported in 1836 that "not a single native now remains upon Van Dieman's land … the adoption of any conduct, having for its avowed or secret object the extermination of the native race, could not fail to leave an indelible stain upon the British government". That "indelible stain" was, a century later, termed "genocide". We castigate the Turks for pretending the Armenian genocide never took place, but we are apt to forget the Tasmanian genocide. Last year the National History Museum had to be taken to court to stop it experimenting on the skulls of victims.…” GUARDIAN
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/mother-england-as-much-to-blame/2008/02/15/1202760596979.html?page=2
Others:
….. Then of course we spool forward another century to the First World War and the failure of peace in Versailles; the inability of the world at that stage to develop any kind of enforceable universal law to prevent genocide. The Armenians were massacred in 1915 and 1916 and retribution never came. The Kaiser was not punished for unrestricted submarine warfare or for invading Belgium. BillyHughes may have gone to Versailles with the slogan “Hang the Kaiser”, the Kaiser got away because he had what was thought to be sovereign immunity and the Turks got away with the Armenian genocide. Hitler in his famous speech to his generals on the Polish border urging them to show no mercy said “After all, who now remembers the Armenians?’” http://www.cornerstones.org.au/media/pdfs/G_Robertson_speech.pdf
“…Britain had provided forces to protect an ethnic minority of Christians from killing by the Turks in Bulgaria. America justified its declaration of war on Spain in 1898 on the grounds of the oppressive rule in Cuba that "shocked the moral sense of the people of the United States". And all of this was without CNN. Roosevelt's 1904 State of the Union message made it clear that the US believed intervention for humanitarian reasons was justifiable when oppression was on a vast scale….” http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=158055§ioncode=7
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